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Support Science & Get These Cool Items & More

Help the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund (CSLDF) raise money to cover the costs of Dr. Mann’s legal defense as well as other scientists who face similar challenges. To help raise money and reward those that contribute, we have rounded up some cool designs and gifts. CSLDF thanks Nicole Martinez and Lunchbreath who were kind enough to donate their designs for this fundraiser.

$25 gets you one of our t-shirts. They will be delivered a couple weeks after the fundraiser is over. We will check in with you about which design you want and what size.

$50 gets two of the t-shirts.

$75 gets all three of the t-shirts and our true gratitude.

$150 gets you all three of the t-shirts and a copy of Climate Change: Picturing the Science signed by Joshua Wolfe (www.picturingclimatechange.com)

$300 gets you a hockey stick signed by Mike Mann.

$1000 gets you a 16×20 signed silver gelatin print by Joshua Wolfe.

FOR MORE INFORMATION AND TO GET THESE COOL ITEMS PLEASE VISIT:

http://www.rockethub.com/projects/6884-help-cover-mike-mann-s-legal-bills 

* A portion of your donation may be tax deductible. People interested in tax deductible donations should contact CSLDF directly at josh@climatesciencedefensefund.org

Written by Scott Mandia

April 4, 2012 at 1:08 pm

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  1. […] On Mandia’s Blog we have this: Support Climate Scientists & Look Cool Doing So! […]

  2. “……as well as other scientists who face similar challenges.”

    What other scientist are facing similar challenges??

    Henry

    April 4, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    • There are several.

      Scott Mandia

      April 4, 2012 at 7:48 pm

      • The question was, “What other scientist are facing similar challenges??” That is, who are the scientists facing legal problems for their acts? Not, “Are there others?” Henry probably wanted to know in advance where (and to whom) his money would be going; a reasonable question.

        My own reasonable question is more basic: Was this supposed to be an April Fool’s Day joke?

        Carl Bussjaeger

        April 4, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    • Henry,

      There are at least four others who I do not wish to name for privacy reasons. Keep in mind that CSLDF is not just raising money for litigation, we are also raising funds to support our entire mission which includes educational resources. Perhaps this quote from Dr. Katharine Hayhoe will help:

      “Hayhoe said just knowing that a group like the Climate Science Defense Fund exists is important, because it tells climate scientists they are not alone.” (Inside Climate News)

      Scott Mandia

      April 6, 2012 at 8:11 am

      • Sir,

        I see. So you’re raising money for unidentified people who will remain unidentified so that you don’t have to account publicly for where the money went. Wow! I love donating blindly to mystery “causes”. Knowing where my money went, if it was well spent, or if it even did any good is just so passe’.

        But wait! “Keep in mind that CSLDF is not just raising money for litigation, we are also raising funds to support our entire mission which includes educational resources.”

        So… the Legal Defense Fund isn’t just for legal defense, but to merely “support” your whole operation.

        Oh, yeah; I’m digging out my check book right now.

        Are you _sure_ this wasn’t an April Fool’s gag? Because, quite frankly, it gets sillier the more you elaborate on it.

        Sure, Mann’s data has been available for years. To his friends. Sort of. Which makes one wonder why he has to engage in a legal fight to keep private data that has supposedly been public all along.

        No one that I am aware of is after Mann’s _personal_ correspondence. There, however, a great deal of interest in his professional correspondence conducted via systems with no legal expectation of (and, as I understand it, a specific disclaimer) of privacy. If he wished to keep the two separate, he should have done as I do and maintain separate accounts for personal use and business: I have one email account solely for handling business transaction related to my published books.

        Mandia: It is quite apparent that you never intended to help but only wish to vent your frustrations here. Good day.

        Carl Bussjaeger

        April 6, 2012 at 11:49 am

      • Hi Carl,

        I realize you’re a science fiction writer and you know stuff about electronics.

        So I’d just like to ask: may I know how many linear regression calculations you’ve done personally?

        You see, I just want to know whether you genuinely “know” the stuff you say about Mann and climatology, or whether you’re just saying those things about him because you read about him in some blog.

        — frank

  3. […] For $300, you can actually get a hockey stick signed by Michael Mann! Seriously. […]

  4. It’s a sad day when scientists abandon their integrity and need legal defense.

    Randall

    April 4, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    • It is a sad day when scientists cannot do their job without being harrassed by politically-motivated witch hunters. Do you think that reading Sir Isaac Newton’s personal letters will reveal that that gravity makes apples fly upward? Science is not conducted via email.

      Scott Mandia

      April 6, 2012 at 8:14 am

      • Randall espouses a laughable idea: that somehow only rich and powerful politicians like Virginia’s Ken Cuccinelli are allowed to avail themselves to the legal system, while those who aren’t rich and powerful should just roll over and do whatever the rich people want.

        — frank

  5. The name is wrong:

    You need to say you are raising funds for the “Climate Science” Legal Defense Fund.

    Anyhow, who is suing Mann? Mann is close to being a serial litigator – is this fund really for defense or is it to finance his obsession of suing reasonable people?

    Peter Miller

    April 5, 2012 at 5:36 am

    • Anyhow, who is suing Mann?

      You have to be really, really blind or deluded to pretend thatVA Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli and the American Tradition ‘Institute’ don’t exist.

      Mann sure as heck didn’t start this witch-hunt, but I hope he ends it.

      — frank

  6. Why does Michael Mann have to sue people? Surely he can humiliate them with his settled science?
    I would rather tear my money up than than use it to support the kind of “all-data-is-mine” science practiced by this person.

    thenuggett

    April 5, 2012 at 9:40 am

    • Mann’s data has been publicly available for years.

      Scott Mandia

      April 6, 2012 at 8:15 am

      • Perhaps “thenuggett” is under the impression that Mann’s e-mails will contain the super-secret climatological data in some special encrypted form, and that is why it’s so important to be able to read them. Or something.

        Do people like “thenuggett” actually use their brains to think about what they write?

        — frank

  7. I see that the sheer hypocrisy of the ‘skeptics’ is in full strength again. Transparency for thee but not for me…

    — frank

  8. Mandia is getting so desperate, because more and more skeptics are out there. There are also many scientists who are realizing this man made warming is not true. Mandia love for Mann, who is Mandia’s God, will protect him and others from the real truth of GW…..get a grip Mandia, the party is over, and most of all LEAVE your students alone on GW. Let them make up their own minds. Critical thinking is needed, not indoctrination,.

    Leah

    April 7, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    • Leah, please stop describing political witch-hunts by people such as Virginia AG Cuccinelli and the American Tradition ‘Institute’, as if they’re “popular” movements.

      Doing this sort of thing makes you look like a paid mouthpiece.

      — frank

  9. frank — Decoding SwiftHack, April 7, 2012 at 2:52 pm: “So I’d just like to ask: may I know how many linear regression calculations you’ve done personally?”

    To quote Mandia, “several”; that apparently being an adequate answer to a request for specific data.

    Less facetiously: It doesn’t matter, since I haven’t made claims like his. He has, hence the hard questions people keep asking. But, yes, I have done some. But I don’t get thousands (or millions) of bucks from the government to do it, nor do I demand my numbers be used to restructure modern technological society. You, sir, appear to be engaging in a strawman argument.

    I also know that in fields beyond “climatology”, truncating data and pasting in data from another source on the same graph is a no-no. For instance: a mining company that issued a prospectus for a mine and included a ore yield chart that truncated the silver production portion of the graph and pasted in increased copper production in place of the redacted silver data would face civil, and very likely criminal charges, as one mining engineer explained elsewhere on the ‘Net. But in climatology, clipping the dropping tree proxy data and pasting in conveniently rising direct measurement data at the end of the graph is hunky dory.

    And since you have brought up my science fiction (You do realize that there’s a significant difference between science FICTION and supposed scientific reports? And that you’ve handed me a wonderful straight line that I’ll be kind enough not to abuse?)… In my first novel, I suggested a launch system unlike any of the usual ballistic proposals. Several people found it unlikely and questioned my numbers. Rather than cry, “Proprietary! Personal communications! You’re not a real rocket scientist!” I provided the data I used, along with the fictional assumptions.

    I guess that’s one of the differences between fiction and Mannian climatology.

    Like Mann, though, I’m forced to admit that some of my original data has gone missing over the years; several relocations, computer crashes and replacements. But again, I wasn’t claiming my work was anything but fiction and it wasn’t being used to shape international policy. I don’t feel too bad about that. (In point of fact, I never expected anyone take the launcher seriously; it was meant as an over-the-top creation just to grab people’s interest. I experienced a similar reaction to my short story “Postage Due” which was intended as sheer humor.)

    Quite seriously, no sarcasm intended, I’d like to thank Mandia for allowing me the use of his forum. Once I realized that the t-shirt deal was real, I half expected my comments to get deleted. I was wrong about that and apologize for my doubts of his integrity in the matter.

    Carl Bussjaeger

    April 7, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    • Carl,

      Do you ever wonder why some focus on Mike Mann’s research when so many other paleo T reconstructions show the same hockey stick even though these other studies use different types of proxies and data analysis techniques? What are the odds that every T reconstruction is wrong and is wrong in exactly the same way?

      See: https://profmandia.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/shooting-the-messenger-with-blanks/

      If Mann never published his famous T reconstructions we would still be where we are today. The planet is warming and humans are causing it. The PATTERN of warming is precisely what should happen by injecting massive amounts of CO2 into the air.

      The questions should focus on what we intend to do about our emissions if we wish to preserve the climate in which we are economically adjusted to. Droughts, fires, floods, and sea level rise do not care if they hurt a Republican or a Democrat. All of our wallets are being hurt and will do so in a bigger way down the road if we do not control our emissions.

      Do not let these witch hunters make you take your eyes off the important issues.

      Scott Mandia

      April 7, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    • Hi Carl,

      So do you think you’ve made any “fictional assumptions” in thte course of deciding that Prof. Mann is guilty?

      — frank

  10. Correction: I wrote “Like Mann, though, I’m forced to admit that some of my original data has gone missing over the years;”

    Because of the topic of the post, I had Mann at the back of my mind when I was typing. Instead, that should read “Like “several” climate scientists, though, I’m forced to admit that some of my original data has gone missing over the years;”

    Carl Bussjaeger

    April 7, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    • “So I’d just like to ask: may I know how many linear regression calculations you’ve done personally?”

      To quote Mandia, “several”; that apparently being an adequate answer to a request for specific data.

      Then have you used this knowledge of linear regression to test the deniers’ claim that “global warming has stopped”? In your tests, what did you find?

      Once more, I just want to know whether you genuinely”“kno”” the stuff you say about Mann and climatology, or whether you’re just saying those things about him because you read about him in some blog.

      — frank

  11. Look cool? Seriously? This cult has jumped the shark….

    WomenAgainstMann

    April 15, 2012 at 5:12 pm

  12. If I demanded the overturning of the economy, and had the ear of powerful international bodies, I’d expect extreme scrutiny at every level. I really don’t see what Mann’s problem is. He’s not just ‘doing science’ he’s advocating for social change. We all have a right to demand that is done in a fully open way, with a full democratic debate and with full transparency. If Mann doesn’t wish to co-operate with that then he should withdraw from the debate.

    HR

    April 16, 2012 at 8:06 am

    • Advocating for social change? Overturning the economy? I’ve not heard Mann do so. Like most of us he does have strong opinions on changing technology in certain directions. Americans in particular should listen and think a bit, whether it’s to climate scientists or anyone else, about their inefficient, wasteful and uneconomic approach to energy technology.

      The US had a perfectly valid claim in the past to be the most advanced and successful economy in the world. Looking a bit feeble now when 5% of the world’s population is using 20 % of the world’s energy – all well and good for such a large and ‘sophisticated’ economic/social organisation until you realise that Europe has much the same population and much the same standard of living and manages it on half the energy use.

      What went wrong? Where are the much vaunted innovators and entrepreneurs? What happened to all the can-do, modern is always better, efficiency obsessed, forward-looking American spirit?

      adelady

      April 22, 2012 at 9:28 pm

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